Ken Krogue: Hello everybody. Ken Krogue here with Thom Harrison. And our guest today is Tim Ballard. We finished an episode a little bit ago where Tim told some of the background, some of the things that have been happening, about his latest book, how Operation Underground Railroad was formed. But let’s talk now about, you know, EternalCore is God-centered mental health, a faith-based platform. Faith’s been a really big part of your whole project. Everything started with some insights that you gained personally. Walk us through from that perspective.

Tim Ballard: Yeah, I mean I never would have done this without the faith component. I never would have dreamed of doing it. I felt, you know, it was a counterintuitive move to go from the most secure job in the world being a federal employee.

Ken Krogue: Until just like two weeks, right?

Tim Ballard: Right, until most recently. You know, going into what many would consider the most insecure, financially insecure, starting a nonprofit. Which less than, I mean, the statistics are horrible. They don’t last, most of them, more than a year, right? So I never would have done it without having received a confirmation that you will do this, you know. In fact, I’ll tell you, I had made these promises. Last episode, I told you about this. I made a promise to a father that I’d helped him find his son. I made a promise to a group of Colombian officers that I would help them rescue a hundred kids in Colombia. I made those promises when I thought I could still do that as a government agent. And then I learned I couldn’t. And I had to fulfill the promise. So I went to my wife, whose faith is, you know, heads and tails above mine. And I said, “What do I do?” And she’s calm, and she said, “Well, you have to fulfill these promises. These are real kids. You’re going to actually go rescue a hundred kids.” Which we did. And a movie’s now being made about that operation starring Jim Caviezel which we can… I think maybe we’ve talked about we can’t talk about it.

Thom Harrison: What’s the name of this movie?

Tim Ballard: The Sound of Freedom.

Thom Harrison: The Sound of Freedom.

Tim Ballard: 20th Century Fox. So it, you know I had to make this decision ultimately, and I didn’t know. I was scared to death to do it, you know. I was scared to death. And at one point, it was December of 2013 I remember, I was having a total breakdown. And I told my wife at one point, “I’m not doing it.” It was all fun until we started raising money. Once the money came in, and Glenn Beck was very instrumental in getting us our first several hundred thousand dollars. When that money came, it was like, “Oh my gosh, there’s”….

Thom Harrison: We’re going to do this.

Ken Krogue: Yeah, you’re responsible now.

Tim Ballard: “People are calling on me now.” And that’s when I freaked, and I told my wife, “I’m not doing it. I’m going to give the money back. I’m not doing it.” I actually had made the decision for a split second not to do it, because what’s going to happen in six months from now? This money’s gonna run out quickly. Operations are expensive. And my wife, she said, she sat me down, and tried to calm me cause I was not calm, and she says, “Let’s just do an exercise real quick” and I don’t know where she came up with this, inspiration. She said, “You have two paths right now, explain what you see.” I say, “One path is scary as heck. It’s dark, it’s mysterious, it’s uncertain. It scares me to death.” And that’s the path that of starting this foundation. “This other path, I can see everything. I’ve been seeing this path my whole life.” When I turn 50, I can retire. I have my pension then I get to do this.” And I had all these ideas. “I see the path.”

Tim Ballard: She goes, “Okay, perfect. Now in light of the promises you’ve made. In light of the revelations, frankly, that we have received.” And I don’t have time to get into all of them, but many, many things had happened where it was a clear message from heaven, “You need to do this, you need to do this.” I mean so clear that you would, I’m embarrassed to even admit that I was saying, I’m like, “I’m not going to do it.” So I knew I had the assurance from heaven, which is an important step, I believe, in faith. You know, put faith in things you’ve received, an assurance for it first. Make sure it’s true. Faith is belief in something that’s true. Not just a fun idea. So I knew it was a true principle, cause that was told to me. And then she said, “Okay, now you’ve got these two paths. Now picture meeting your maker. Someday you’re going to meet your maker and your maker’s going to say to you, God is going to say, “Did I tell you to do something?”” “Yes.” “Did you do it?”

Thom Harrison: It’s reminiscent of Jonah and the whale. Looking down the throat of the whale and going, “I think I’ll go someplace else. I don’t want to go to Nineveh.” But you chose to go to Nineveh.

Tim Ballard: I did.

Thom Harrison: And he’s been behind you the whole way hasn’t he?

Tim Ballard: I did. I did. And you know, what happened in that moment was life altering for me. I saw it before my eyes when I pictured the meeting with my maker. And that was a very real thing in that moment as my wife was doing this exercise with me. And then she said, “Go back to your two paths. What do you see?” And I said, “This path of staying in the government is scarier now than anything over here.” It was so scary. I thought, “What will I miss out on? What blessings might not come? What am I going to say to my maker?” And then I pictured him putting a video in. “Let me show you all the kids that would have been rescued had you done what I asked you to do?” So that path was like the most insecure path.

Tim Ballard: This one, I still couldn’t see everything, but it was warm and light, I’ll say that. It wasn’t scary anymore. It was like, you know what, if I end up living in a tent on a beach because I ran out of money, I’m still happier over here than I am in this other path. And that was such a, I mean that object lesson that she gave me, that mental exercise, I’ve relied on that. I’ve gone back to that many, many times. When I’m feeling doubting or fearful, I think of that and you know, the belief, the knowledge that I will have that meeting. I think if everybody woke up in the morning and pictured the meeting with their maker everyday, decisions would be so much easier to make. And the right decisions would be made if that was our context always. CS Lewis talks all about this, about what do you love more this life or the next. If you love the next one more and you make that a focus, man, life becomes clear.

Thom Harrison: Isn’t it amazing? The power and inspiration wives can bring to us in these very difficult times. You know, it never ceases to amaze me something that my wife says, or something your wife said that moves us forward. And when they get behind us, there’s nothing like it, is there?

Tim Ballard: Oh yeah. That’s a divine thing for sure that marriage relationship. I don’t know what… I couldn’t, I wouldn’t be doing anything. I couldn’t, I wouldn’t have any power to do anything really.

Thom Harrison: Well, at the conference we’re going to be speaking to marriage groups in that special thing on Friday night. So that’s why I wanted to bring that up. That, you know, we’re going to try and tie this together and help people move together. So Tim and I will be there with a can of coke to help and assist people in looking at marriage. Anyway, so let’s get back to the story, but just wanting to put a plug in for that Friday evening.

Ken Krogue: Well let’s talk about, I mean it was about two and a half years ago. I had gotten in my car accident, my truck accident about three years ago. And that pulled me out of my business. We had just gotten behind promoting Operation Underground Railroad. I remember insidesales.com, you know, donated a bunch of laptops to try and help in the aftercare. And then I got, you know, and that pulled me out. And then I got to know Thom who really assisted me in my recovery. And shortly after that, the three of us got together and found there were some common connections there. And then, Thom, I had the strongest feeling, and I didn’t know why, but I had the strongest feeling that Thom needed to be part of what we were doing at Mobaliz. And I remember, we pulled you down to speak to the team, and you said, you know, “That’s interesting, Ken, because I’ve felt the same thing.”

Ken Krogue: And we decided to work together. And then boom, all of a sudden I realized, “Wait,” you know, “A person with your background and helping children recover from the most horrific forms of abuse.” And then I had just been asked by you to assist in some of the social media, and everything with OUR, and with your project. And I go, “Whoa, there’s some real need here. Maybe we’ll get you guys together.” And it’s been the last almost year and a half. You’ve been assisting both with helping some of the aftercare and some of the operator learning a little bit about selection. And maybe you guys could talk a little bit some of the things that goes on behind the scenes in this world of aftercare, and why it takes, you know, some real expertise in mental health to help these people recover.

Tim Ballard: Oh yeah. One thing I’ll say to start off with is we have, we’re in 20. Like I said, we’re in 20 countries, 22 states. We need partners, aftercare partners. We don’t reinvent the wheel; we find those who already have a base knowledge expertise. But we have to select the correct ones to take the kids we rescued to them. And Thom’s been very helpful in my personal understanding, and our team’s understanding, of how this works, and how these kids can heal. And one of the things that Thom taught me, and taught our team, that was so insightful and so powerful, and I didn’t know this. And I probably… I feel like I should have known this having worked for so many years in trafficking.

Tim Ballard: If you look at the brain of a child who’s been sexually abused over many years and has experienced that trauma, that brain actually has physical hurt, physical damage, similar to how probably how your brain looked after you were hit, right. And so the healing is a very physiological healing as well. And Thom presented studies, papers he’s done, about how, when a child is in a family environment, the brain heals a lot faster and a lot more effectively. That there’s, something happens there. Once we learned that, I had a whole new kind of standard for how we vet our aftercare. We started working with the groups that understood that. That they treated their survivors as family. Oftentimes, they actually group them in families. They make them.

Tim Ballard: And then that inspired us to get into the adoption side of things. And my wife founded CNF, Children Need Families. We just used Thom’s research and said, “We’re going to call the title.” The foundation’s called Children Need Families. And when I say that, I picture that brain healing. And we have, we started, we founded that last year. And we got 13 children last year into homes. Children who we have found in bad situations overseas and got them into families. And we’re going to find double that number this year, and continue to grow it out. So the idea of families and the role families, and the family environment, plays in healing. Literally physiologically, the brain and the soul and the spirit, you know, was a fundamental thing that Thom brought to our organization to help us really up our game in the healing side of this.

Thom Harrison: I love the aspect of when Tim and the team go forward to do a rescue. How Tim asks for a group of people to pray, or to get on their knees at a certain time. And you know, maybe you don’t want that shared, but it’s so significant to be on your knees when you know that there’s this group of individuals in harm’s way that really need all the help from heaven. And you feel such an amazing part of the team. You’re not in Haiti with them. You’re not in South America with you, but you are part of that team. And all at once, you know there’s this group of individuals on their knees pleading that the team would be protected, but also that there is help coming to these victims.

Ken Krogue: You’ve had that happen. I mean with your own family and trying to find, you know, two little kids. And I remember I’ve got a text from you three minutes before, you know, the van doors open and you guys are in harm’s way. Talk about that a little bit more.

Tim Ballard: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I love talking about it because we actually encourage people to go to ourrescue.org and sign up to be a member of our prayer team. Where we send something out before the operation. We don’t necessarily say where we are or what we’re doing, but it’s a powerful thing. And what’s interesting is some people say, “Well, I want to support OUR, but I don’t pray. I don’t believe in prayer.” I even have some team members, very few, but they don’t necessarily believe in that. But again, thanks to Thom’s training and what he’s taught me, I can go to these guys and say, “Look, you don’t, fine, maybe you don’t believe in it. But, let me tell you that there’s scientific evidence that when you’re on your knees praying, look what happens. Your brain actually releases some amazing chemicals, dopamine” and what’s…

Thom Harrison: Catecholamines and Endorphins

Tim Ballard: Endorphins. “And I need you to have those, so get on your knees!” And they’re like, “Okay, that’s fine. You scientifically can prove it.” See, heaven works through science always. So it’s those chemicals, in my mind, is what opens up the veil and allows us to access heaven better. So anyway just more amazing insight there. But let me tell you a story that happened on a very big operation, a very important operation. We were tracking down the worst traffickers in Haiti, and we got to the very end. We knew who they were, or at least some of them were. We didn’t know where the kids were, but we figured where they were, the kids would be close by. Because they were hiding their kids in these hidden brothels in the streets. And we couldn’t determine where they were.

Tim Ballard: But we had to move, with the police, to arrest them because they came up from the rat hole for that moment. And so we were moving, the details would take too long to get into how we got to this point. But just know, we’re at this point, we’re three minutes from arresting the kingpin of the trafficking organizations in Haiti. And we’ve done everything we can do, but we don’t know where the kids are. And we pray. And one of my operators is giving a prayer in Haitian Creole. Another operator the day earlier, a messianic Jew, gives this prayer where he sings this prayer in Hebrew. I think you’ve seen it.

Ken Krogue: Yeah that’s in the film. It’s incredible.

Tim Ballard: And what we’re asking for is God, help us find the kids cause that’s the one part we can’t do on our own. We’ve done everything we can. Now listen to this. This is an example of why we do it. We’re traveling up the street. We’re three minutes from the target. The prayer just ended, and one of my evidence technicians, a guy named Jacob Justice, who I think you both know who works for us, comes bounding back in this van. And he pulls out this little GoPro camera, and he puts it on the helmet of one of the Haitian police officers who is sitting in the back facing out. It’s a van; it’s going to open back. The hatch is going to open and you’re gonna go.

Thom Harrison: With duct tape, yes.

Tim Ballard: Yeah, and he pulled out his duct tape, and he awkwardly… And I’m thinking, “What are you doing?” Like. “We don’t have time for this”. And I’m kind of laughing, kind of mad, and kind of some, you know. And he’s like, “I don’t know, I have to. I’m supposed to put a camera on this guy.” “Well why him? Why not the others?” Like, “I don’t know, just let me do it.” So the cops are looking at him like, okay, whatever. So he turns this sleek looking Kevlar helmet into it now looks like a minor’s cap with the cap just kind of loosely hanging on. And we hit the spot. The door opens, we go out, we arrest the bad guys, and all of this is happening. Then, as the dust is kind of settling. It’s dark. It’s dangerous. We’ve got to get outta here.

Tim Ballard: I look across the street, and this steel red door opens up from across the street. It looks like a custodian closet. It looks like nothing. You wouldn’t even think anything of it, but it opens up and out come these little girls. These little girls who are dressed like adult prostitutes, shattered looks in their eyes, scared to death, and there and I’m thinking, “What is going on?” Because right behind them is this cop. And the cop is distraught, and he’s saying, “They got away, they got away,” and we’re trying to figure this out. The bad guys are cuffed. These kids are obviously connected cause they were across the street. And we go over to the cop and he says, “What do you mean? What do you mean they got away?” He says, “I walked in here,” and what he had walked in on was something I had never, in my 15 years of doing these operations, we’d never, I’ve never walked in on the sinful act in progress, a child being raped. He walked in on it. And the Johns all got up; the predators jumped, got up, and ran out.

Tim Ballard: And he, we’re still training these guys, and he should have called for backup, but he didn’t call for backup. He went in alone. One other cop might’ve come in, but they weren’t, neither of them were prepared, and they didn’t know what to do. They went to the kids, and the bad guys ran out. And he’s like, “They got away. They got away. They got away.” And now it’s his word against the kids’ words. Did that happen? Were they actually being raped? It’s just like… That’s why you want more cops and lots of witnesses. We have one witness and the bad guys are gone, and the kids don’t want to tell him. We don’t want to put them on the stand. So that’s always a problem. So I was like, “Shoot, we had this opportunity and he’s, the cop’s again saying, “They got away, they got away.”

Tim Ballard: Then we hear Jacob Justice from behind. “No, they didn’t get away.” Like, what are you talking about? Now there’s about 12 to 15 cops on the ground, arresting people running around the streets. Only one cop went into that room. And when Jacob Justice says, “No, they didn’t get away.” And then he walks up, and we get closer, squinting our eyes through the, you know, the bad lighting on the street. Darn, if it wasn’t that cop that went into that place. What happened was when he got out of the van, he was supposed to go left, but instead his eye caught a little girl who ran into the red door. And he had probable cause to go in there. He went in there and saw what he saw. He was the one with a camera. When Jacob Justice jumped back, he gave it to the third cop. Well the third cop was… Jacob couldn’t have known this. The third cop wasn’t going to be the one who saw cause he came and had the peripheral. You see what I’m saying.

Ken Krogue: And that was critical to the whole mission.

Tim Ballard: Oh yeah. Because not only do we have the identities of the predators, more importantly we have the act, the criminal act there. So no one can now say, “They didn’t rape those girls.” Because the girls, again, you don’t put them on the stand. You don’t want to do that and re-victimize them. Sometimes you have no other choice, and it’s a horrifying experience. You don’t want to do it. We don’t have to do it, because someone in heaven told Jacob Justice to put a camera on this guy’s helmet. And we caught the act. We caught the sex act, which is now in evidence and being used to prosecute the traffickers we arrested across the street you see.

Tim Ballard: Unbelievable miracle. But we’ve come to expect these. These things happen to us all the time. And I will stand proudly and boldly and say, “That’s because we pray.” And we believe and we pray that heaven… We believe that God loves the children. We believe. We believe when Jesus says it’s better that a millstone be wrapped around your neck and you be tossed into the sea, think about that. That’s violence. That’s one of the few maybe the only time really that Christ is speaking violence. Righteous violence. I mean that, a millstone around someone’s neck and toss them into the ocean? Wow! That’s like mobster stuff, right.

Thom Harrison: But I think it also states how difficult it’s going to be for those individuals to be able to come back. You know, that that is what this horrible crime does. It takes you to those depths and destroys you to such a degree that it’s like trying to come up from the bottom of the sea with a millstone around your neck. I think it’s speaking the violence, but it’s also speaking to how difficult it is to change that process once you’ve been involved.

Tim Ballard: Yeah, and it certainly is. But we know the point that, you know, the point and that scripture for me also is that we know that God loves the children a lot.

Ken Krogue: He’s going after his kids first.

 Tim Ballard: Yeah. So, if we’re gonna pray for that, and our intent is pure, we’re going to see miracles.

Thom Harrison: I remember one gal who, you know, was ready to give up hope and was pleading that day. And it was later that day that you came, that the hope came and, you know, she was finally rescued and that correlation. I don’t know that story well, but I remember those components.

Tim Ballard: Well, it’s again, it’s another God component too. Because, one of the little girls that we rescued, she had been kidnapped after the earthquake. Six, seven years old in Haiti. That’s what happens when there’s a disaster like that.

Ken Krogue: The traffickers move in.

Tim Ballard: It’s harvest time for the traffickers. They have abandoned children. That’s how my children were kidnapped and ended up with traffickers. And we got them out, and they’re now my children. Same earthquake. This little girl was taken. So imagine this, for eight years she’s a sex slave. And she knows that she lives in the darkest, in the most obscure nation in the world. And not only that, but in the darkest corner of that most obscure nation, behind a little red door. Who is going to open that door? Why would she ever have hope? But when we came and got her out, she began to talk. And the first words she said were, “Can I really have hope? Can I really have hope?” And then Jessica Mass, our director of aftercare says, “Yes, this is real. We are real. This has, you’re done.” And she says this, and here’s the God component. She says, “Do you know what today is?” Jessica looks at her phones and says, “It’s January 12th.” She’s like, “Do you know when the earthquake was? The day I was kidnapped was January 12th, 2010. Today is January 12th, 2018.” God is talking.

Ken Krogue: Wow, that’s beautiful. There’s been some other amazing breakthroughs.

Tim Ballard: And I want to say one more thing. I have to mention this. I’m sorry. Our lead operator on the ground, his name is Jim Petiote. Amazing man, God-fearing man. I mean this guy has been working miracles for us in Haiti. This was the first operation we did. He led it on the Haitian side, and then that turned into political where we were working with the president now because of these successes. Jim died last week, a couple of weeks ago, had a heart attack and died, just out of the blue, healthiest, healthy guy. We believe in angels though. We believe that he might be called to the other side to do work. We can do things we never could do. Once we came to that realization, I was sitting in bed late at night. I was thinking about it. I thought, “You know what, we have an angel over there.”

Thom Harrison: He’ll be involved. 

Tim Ballard: He’ll be involved. But now listen to this, is after I came to that realization, I didn’t put this together. We did a video for him. We did a video that kind of tracked, you know, some music. And then it ends with, you know, born this day, died this day. And I looked at the video, and I thought, “How did I not see this?” He died on January 12th. One year exactly after the rescue of that little girl. So then I knew for sure. Second witness.

Ken Krogue: No coincidence at all.

Tim Ballard: Yes, he is going to be there.

Ken Krogue: That’s beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. I was going to talk about there’s been some other really powerful breakthroughs. There’s been a young woman, I understand, that was kidnapped and moved across the border, and was taken in the New York City area. Tell us that story because it’s something you’ve both been working on.

Tim Ballard: An amazing story. You know, this is, there’s 10,000 children, like I said, last episode, there’s 10,000 children smuggled into the US.

Ken Krogue: Into the US?

Tim Ballard:  Into the US forced into the commercial sex trade. This little girl, we’ll call her Lilliana, she’s one of them. Kidnapped at age 13 from Central America, taken across the desert. You know, this is not political. This is just truth. Had there been a wall she, likely, this wouldn’t have happened. Okay.

Ken Krogue: Completely different perspective.

Tim Ballard: Oh, look, we’re not talking about keeping foreign people out. That’s the argument that one side wants to use to invoke outrage. You can look at it that way. Why don’t, I’ll tell you how I look at it. The highest consuming nation of child sex is the United States. We are the demand. We are the monsters. That wall protects these innocent children from other countries, from being smuggled into our monsters. It protects them, forces the traffickers to take them through the ports of entry.

Ken Krogue: Wow, it flips the whole scenario.

Tim Ballard: Right. Instead of saying we’re trying to keep people out. No, we’re trying to protect these people from our monsters, because you force the kids through the ports of entry where they can be rescued. And I’ve seen that happen. I spent 10 years as a special agent on the border. That’s where you rescue the kids, where the high technology is concentrated, where the agents are there, the officers are there. You want to push the flow that way. Or better yet, these traffickers say, “Look, I can’t get, I don’t want to go through that wall. I don’t want to go through the port of entry. I’m going to try another business besides the kidnapping of children business.” So you can actually limit the actual supply. You can actually limit the, you know, decrease the amount of kidnappings that happen.

Tim Ballard: So, and can I just go, I’m sorry, can I just go here for a second? I’m going on a tangent, but I just, I’ve heard the opponents of the wall. There’s a couples points I want to make. One, it’s immoral, I’m told. It’s immoral. I’ve heard this many times from the leadership of Congress saying, “It’s immoral” and I think, “Wait, it’s immoral? In light of what I just explained to you, it’s immoral?” But then those very people, I’m really going off on a little tangent here, but those very people know that there’s 30% of that border is a wall. So it’s either immoral or not immoral. So if it’s immoral, for heaven’s sake, tear down the 30% that exists. But they’re not even calling for that, right? Why? I mean, why are they not calling for it? Because if it’s immoral, it’s immoral. Unless you’re telling me that 30% of a wall is not immoral.

Tim Ballard: So with that logic, I guess you can cheat on your wife as long as you only go 30% of the way. You can rob a bank so long as you only take 30% of the money in the vault. No, what’s going on is they know that the wall works. They’re not invoking to tear down the immoral wall, you know, that exists. This is something; this is another agenda that I don’t know what they’re thinking, but I know they’re not thinking about Lilliana. I know they’re not thinking about these children. We’re also told that the symbol of America needs to be the Statue of Liberty, not the wall. And again, I just I’m dumbfounded. I say to myself, I look at Lilliana and the thousands of children who have went through what she went through, and I’ll say this, they didn’t get… You quoted the Lazarus poem, right? Earlier?

Thom And Tim: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,” right?

Thom Harrison: “The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Tim Ballard: Okay. So I love it, because I say to myself, I would look at Lilliana and I said, “Is that what she got? Did she get that offering from the statue?” No, she was forced into the hands, into the ugly paws cause they’re monsters, of American sex predators. She didn’t get that promise. But you know what, had there been a wall, she might’ve got that promise. So the wall doesn’t conflict. It doesn’t contradict the Statue of Liberty. The wall actually preserves and protects everything the statue claims to stand for and offers these huddled masses. So I’m so frustrated, because they’re not making this argument about the children. Right. And frankly, the wall proponents aren’t either. Guys, make it about the children, speak truth to power. The wall would have saved Lilliana. Anyway, but in this case, she wasn’t saved. And she spent five years of hell being raped 30 to 50 times a day, that’s not an exaggeration, for money until she was finally liberated, and we got ahold of her. We have her in care. And she’s been working, and Thom’s been working with her to help rehabilitate her and to help to heal her. And the progress she has made has been, you know, it has been just…

Thom Harrison: Astounding. Amazing

Tim Ballard: Yeah.

Ken Krogue: I mean she’s wanting to tell her story.

Tim Ballard: She wants to tell her story so bad.

Ken Krogue: That’s a breakthrough, isn’t it?

Tim Ballard: Oh, it’s a breakthrough.

Thom Harrison: She will tell her story.

Tim Ballard: She will. The problem is right now she is the star witness in a major federal investigation and prosecution. So we have to be careful when she comes out. But when her, when the prosecutors say that it’s okay. I mean she’s ready to tell her story and help defend these other kids.

Thom Harrison: I think some day we’ll look back and see the advocate she’ll become and will be pleased to know that she was one that did get rescued. And she’ll do an amazing work.

Tim Ballard: Oh, she will be a powerful voice. She wants to tell her story, which I’m told many times that when they’re ready for that, that shows obviously a lot of progress. And it can actually help with their healing, I imagine. I’ve been told that.

Thom Harrison: Right. Because it changes that whole trauma structure in the brain too. “I am now an advocate.” And then they identify with the advocacy instead of the trauma.

Ken Krogue: That’s beautiful.

Thom Harrison: And so they become, the advocacy. Intent has so much to do. It’s prayer, you know, and that’s why you tell the ones who don’t believe. You say, “The intent is what’s powerful. And if you can get behind me in the intent, when we put intent out there, then what happens is it grows exponentially, increases exponentially our true intent.” And that’s why our intent has to be valid. It has to be honest. It has to be powerfully put out there. And then it has a power to change, change our brains, but also change lives.

Ken Krogue: Everybody, this is Thom Harrison and Ken Krogue with the EternalCore podcast. We’re grateful to have Tim Ballard with us here today. We’re gearing up for one more episode. Tim’s got some amazing things. He’s already underway on a national speaking tour. Tim, can you join us for one more in just a bit?

Tim Ballard: Yes.

Ken Krogue: Thank you. Remember, we’ve got our event March 29th and 30th at the Little America Hotel, eternalcore.org. Go and get yourself a seat reserved, because they’re going pretty quick.

Thom Harrison: Come join us with Tim.