Ken Krogue: Hello everybody. We’ve got one more episode with Tim Ballard. This is Thom Harrison and Ken Krogue the EternalCore podcast and vidcast. We capture both at the same time it’s been a really fun process. But Tim, you’ve got a new project that you’re now on a national speaking tour. And you’ve sort of got a whole new kind of content that you’re sharing for leaders, corporate America organizations. Tell us about what you’re doing.
Tim Ballard: Yeah. Well it started with, again, I truly believe the key to ending modern day slavery is telling the story. Because once you tell the story, people are changed. And then they say, “What can I do?” And we have to create that. One of the problems is that it’s hard to convince people to come have a speaker come talk about child sex. Imagine that.
Ken Krogue: Yeah, I’ll say.
Tim Ballard: And yet so many opportunities for speaking to masses. But, if it’s titled child sex trafficking, I’m not going to get invited. So that’s where it started. It was how can I angle this? How can I present something, useful information, that also tells the story of trafficking–kind of a dual purpose. And I did a lot of research and actually talking to Thom. Thom was again very instrumental in helping me. Because what I was finding… And I actually was finding this outside of trying to find an angle. I learned some of these things. You know, you learn a lot by working in the dark world of slavery or being in the trenches of modern-day slavery or human trafficking. You meet people who are inspiring children, who figured out a way to get out, parents.
Ken Krogue: That’s what we talked about in our last episode.
Tim Ballard: Yeah. Right.
Ken Krogue: I mean girl who has actually escaped and is ready to tell her story.
Tim Ballard: Right. I mean how did they get out of this? How do they heal? How did they put up for so many years in darkness and survive? How do parents who are going through the most hellacious experience I think mortality can offer, which is your child’s been kidnapped. You would rather have your child dead than think what might be happening to them in the hands of sex traffickers. I work with these parents. I see them, and I learn from them. And the one thing I’ve learned, how do these kids survive the ones that do survive that come out strong? How do the parents survive the ones that make it and come out strong? There’s one common denominator that I find in all these people, and that’s they serve people, service.
Tim Ballard: Even these little kids who can’t articulate how they did it or what they were doing, they just learned. When I serve, when I do kind things for somebody, something happens to me, something happens to me. And, you know, there’s a heavenly aspect to this for sure. Because we’re told that when you serve mankind you’re serving God. There’s a connection to heaven, but God works through science as well. So this is where Thom helped me. And you know I got some some research that he gave to me, and he helped me understand the amazing things that happen when you serve. Physically speaking there’s amazing, these chemicals again, these beautiful chemicals. This cocktail of chemicals that your brain releases that just happens. And these chemicals help you in all areas.
Tim Ballard: You know, I remember when I had to make a decision whether I was going to stay in child trafficking or not, and a little boy had been kidnapped. We just had recovered him. We found 12 other kids who were kidnapped. It was horrifying. And I was coming home after 48 hours of no sleep. And there was two off ramps I had to take. There was one going to the place with the little boy with the shelter, where the little boy was being healed. The next off ramp was my house. This happened so close to home too, which was hard for me with my children the same age as this little boy, so I was dealing with a lot. And then the next off ramp was my off ramp where I’d go home. And I played this little game with myself that if I get off I’m going to stay in. If I get off and go see the little boy, I’ll stay in and fight. If I go home, that’s me declaring to the world, “I’m done. I’m gonna quit.”
Ken Krogue: Pull the ripcord, I’m out of here..
Tim Ballard: Yeah. And, for whatever reason, I wanted to get off at the second exit and go home. But I got off. I got off. And right when I did that; it was the craziest thing. Right when I did that, instead of feeling depressed, I felt this overwhelming feeling. I felt ambitious. I felt creative. I had these ideas that were coming. Things sort of happening to me in that moment. I remembered that. And I didn’t know what it was, but that pattern repeated itself. And then I saw in others who did it even better than I did, and I realized what it was now. It was this amazing cocktail of chemicals that were saying, “If you’re going to serve, well, here’s what’s going to happen. I’m going to bless you with a little cocktail here.”
Thom Harrison: In the EternalCore God-centered mental health. We call that the difference between “I” versus the “I am.” Because, when we’re all focused in the “I,” just us, what do I need, what are my needs, we don’t get those the same. But when we move to the “I am,” the
what would Jesus do, or how can I serve, how can I be of help, that’s when that change takes place. And it is an actual energy structure. And there, you know, there’s nothing as good as dopamine and catecholamines and endorphins.
Tim Ballard: What’s the other chemical? What’s the other one?
Thom Harrison: Adrenaline?
Tim Ballard: Adrenaline. But there’s another one. There’s another one that really helps you feel so happy, the Love One.
Thom Harrison: Dopamine. Oh, vasopressin and oxytocin.
Tim Ballard: Oxytocin, yeah. Oxytocin is the one I like the most.
Thom Harrison: Yeah. It’s good stuff.
Tim Ballard: Yeah. If I could get it at a pharmacy I would. No, I know. It doesn’t work.
Thom Harrison: The only way we can do it is by doing what you’re doing, you know.
Tim Ballard: And that’s what’s beautiful about it.
Thom Harrison: And it’s the same thing with EternalCore. As we move forward, and we create it, we see the energy increasing. And because the intention is not what are we going to get. The intention is what can we give to someone else. How can we help them out of the process they’re in?
Tim Ballard: Well so, back to the talk. So I’m telling all these stories, these rescue stories, right, and how this model works. I start with the story I just told you. And then I end with… So these people are learning about trafficking and getting involved and wanting to do something. But there’s a lesson that got me into the door that they’re also interested in, which is, what entrepreneur, business owner, salesmen, wouldn’t want to be more creative, wouldn’t want to be more optimistic, wouldn’t want to be happier in their work? I mean these are things you can’t… As an employer of many employees, I can’t go to them and say, “Be creative.” I can tell them, I can say, you now, “Knock on this door and make the pitch.” But I can’t say, “Be creative. Get along with each other,” you know, “Be optimistic. Just do it cause I say.” You can’t instruct that.
Ken Krogue: Yeah. Those are things you can’t even teach.
Tim Ballard: But what you can do, which I’ve learned through all these experiences working in human trafficking. These amazing courageous people that I’ve learned from. As a business owner you can say, “You know what, let’s go serve. Let’s go have a day of service today. Let’s go. We have this… We’re going to start giving money or resources.” You can do that, and then know they’re going to get some injections of some pretty awesome chemicals, right? Just beautiful…
Ken Krogue: Well, and you know what? I think it’s organizationally as well. In 2009 I remember, at insidesales.com, we had, David Elkington and I, had started the business long before, and I had brought him one book. It was a first edition copy of Magnificent Obsession. And it was a story of doing service. Anonymous service is even a higher level where you don’t care what you get in return. But we finally decided to put it into practice in 2009 where we decided to take 1 percent of our labor, revenue, and product every year to a cause. We even called it the Do Good foundation. And we were watching our growth going along. And all the sudden, when we did that, everything changed. And we decided to have a special day off per employee where they could just pick something they wanted to do to serve somebody. And it completely changed the culture of our organization.
Ken Krogue: And I’ll tell you, you know, during our hyper growth years, when everyone was really excited about what we were doing, Dave and I would just look at each other and sort of nod. We knew where it was coming from. And when we got really big for our britches and when we brought in all these high end entrepreneurs out of Silicon Valley, and they wanted to grow this company out. But they were looking for the money, you know. And it was sad because that service took a backseat. And we can’t forget. And I think our results, you know, when we are willing to serve and get behind it individually, it has amazing affects for us personally. But, organizationally, we can’t forget this. This is a big deal you guys. So you’re going to share with stories but also neurophysiology.
Tim Ballard: That’s Right.
Ken Krogue: The effects of some of these key principles in the lives of leaders
Tim Ballard: It’s smart business to have a service environment in whatever you’re doing. Whatever you’re doing, whether you’re you’re raising a family; you’re running a business. Whatever it is you’re doing, running a team of rescuers, it’s good business to be service minded. And if you look at the most successful people like Tony Robbins.
Ken Krogue: He’s amazing
Tim Ballard: Tony Robbins teaches this principle louder than anyone I know. The secret to living is giving. That’s what he says all the time. He talks about it. He talks about how he would give his last penny away when he was struggling, but then boom, something would then… There’s a law that something good now happens and a door opens for him. And I go back to the heroes of American history. They did the same thing in the darkest moments.
Ken Krogue: They gave it all.
Tim Ballard: In the darkest moments, Lincoln in Washington. What are they telling the people to do? Pray and serve, forgive and repent, and serve each other, because they needed to tap into this power. Now I don’t want people… How would you answer this question, Thom? Because people would say, “Oh, so it’s not God at all. It’s just chemicals.” Right. “They’re just manipulating something by saying there’s a God, but it’s nothing. It’s just a chemical reaction you’re trying to get.
Thom Harrison: Who created the chemical?
Tim Ballard: Exactly. And that’s what I say is God uses science. It’s all connected. But I would say this, and would you agree with this? That the chemical reaction actually softens our being and actually opens up our spiritual mind so that we can get even further light and knowledge from heaven.
Thom Harrison: It does. It does.
Tim Ballard: And I believe that the chemical is a preparatory kind of… It helps us get around the physical, frankly. The physical limitation that opens up, because some of the greatest kind of personal inspirations I’ve had, which I believe are from heaven itself, came in those moments when the chemicals were lighting me up. So I don’t want anyone to be able to use the chemical reaction as an excuse.
Thom Harrison: But there’s a wonderful stair step with the chemical, because initially it opens you, and you can go, “Oh this is cool. I like this.” But if you continue it, you keep moving up that chemical process until, you know, some people say you gain the mind and heart of Christ or the mind and heart of God. Then his heart becomes your heart, his mind becomes your mind. And that’s a cool trip. That’s a great place to be, to be able to see how much he loves the Lillianas of the world. See, you know, I remember the story of the Starfish. It certainly matters for this one starfish. Maybe I can’t save them all, but I’m going to save this.
Ken Krogue: Now at OUR, you and operatives are saving kids. But there’s millions that you’re trying to impact. And you’re in there saving hundreds and thousands. But we want to remind everybody, the reason we’re having a podcast; we’re having a vidcast, is it’s about awareness. And if people are aware of the power of the brain and of service, and if they’re they’re willing to get behind… And in two podcasts ago, when we had you here, you were talking about what people can do. And I’m finding that we’ve got to be aware; we’ve got to spread awareness. If we do nothing more, we just we just share these stories that you’ve been able to pull together for us. You know, we get to live by proxy what it’s like to go behind that red door and help rescue kids you know. So again, I’m pleading again. Give us some guidance of how we can get involved and help you do what you’re doing Tim.
Thom Harrison: Tim, in our first session you talked about the two Harriets. And they changed lives by what they wrote. And they’re still changing lives by what they wrote. And I think initially you were involved in going in, but now you’re involved in changing lives by going out and speaking this and speaking the truth to these people. And I think you’re going to be even a greater impact. You know, you’re wearing a Steelers shirt, but you’re going to go out and you are stealing these individuals back. You are rescuing them through the work you’re still doing, because you’re impacting people by what you’re saying and what you’re doing.
Tim Ballard: Yeah. Thank you. It’s what the mission is now for me personally. I mean I’ve hired people who are better operators, better undercover operators than I ever was. So it’s a great thing. And I’m doing what I need to do now, which is what Tom says is tell the stories, turn the hearts, get people involved in the cause. And what they can do, I would first suggest go to our Web site. ourrescue.org. Go to where it says join the fight. It has lots of ideas of what you can do. But really, it’s not going to work if you come to us and say, “What can I do” and expect me to give you specific. It’s not going to work. You have to decide now, “What is it that I can do? What am I good at? Go pray and let God tell you what you should do. And as you start doing it call us. We’ll join in with you. And that’s what we need to do.
Thom Harrison: It’s the same thing with mental health. People come to a therapist and they say, “Tell me what to do. Tell me what I can do”. And it’s when they leave the “I” and move into this service “I am,” then they discover on their own how to move away from those structures that maintain poor mental health. And it teaches them new structures and literal new chemicals that they didn’t even know existed in them. The only way they knew how to access those was through pornography, or through getting angry. And we know what those chemicals can do to us. But those similar neurological chemicals, when they’re used for good; when they’re used to go in front of a group of people and help them understand this process, it changes their life. And I know that your life has been changed through these structures.
Thom Harrison: And I love the fact that you’re going out and changing other people’s lives. You’re changing that paradigm shift. You’re helping them see it from a new vision. Just like last time when when you talked about the wall, you know. We’re talking about keeping these people out. What about keeping us out, keeping the monsters that live here out of their lives. I think we often just think, “Oh America, how wonderful.” We have to change America, before we’re ever going to change this process. And what you said does it. Moving out of the my needs to your needs. That’s what changes people, changes hearts.
Ken Krogue: I want to ask one last question. We’re about out of time, Tim, but this one’s a big one. I mean you’ve spent your life’s work rescuing people. And we’ve been asking. “Okay how do we help?” You know, there’s an underlying cause. And I remember you told me once that, “Ken, the perpetrators are mostly Americans who you wouldn’t recognize. They’re just doctors, lawyers, salespeople, but they’ve got something inside that causes them to go out, you know, as predators. So what’s really the underlying cause, and how do we address that cause of how we stop what’s going on with these children? I mean it’s linked back to the day to day. It’s us. We’ve got to change us right?
Tim Ballard: Yeah, I mean if nobody wants to have sex with a child, then children will stop being kidnapped for sex. The demand is what drives the market, the black market here. So the next obvious question is why on earth do people, do men, want to have sex with children? What is going on? And you know the answer to that is difficult for people to swallow. They don’t want to talk about it, but it’s sex addiction. It’s what Thom’s talked about. You know it’s not even, it’s interesting, it’s not even the naked images, it’s the chemicals. They’re addicted to these the bad chemicals the bad chemical combinations that enslave them, make them slaves to their own bodies to their own brains. And it’s pornography, the ‘P word.’ It’s pornography and the addiction to pornography.
Tim Ballard: There was a great Time article, Time magazine. Front page are these good looking guys in their 20s. They’re married, and they talk about they can’t have sex with their wives. I make my teenage boys read that article. I bring it up all the time to them. Because they got so addicted to pornography, that they were a slave to their brain. And the structure that turned them on was a chemical reaction and pornography. That was the structure they needed to get turned on. They can’t physically perform in the bedroom with their spouse. Ok, what a nightmare. And I tell my boys, “Do you want that to be your life? Can you imagine that? Stay away from this addiction.”
Tim Ballard: And then what happens, because I’ve interrogated dozens and dozens and dozens of these guys. Only later when I learned the science and read works by Thom and others about what it was. I didn’t know. It was all anecdotal to me before, but convincing because every guy that I would arrest, every guy I interrogate tell me the story about, “I picked up a Playboy when I was 10 years old, and then I, this. And then the Internet came along, and then…” And then they tell this story where, “I wasn’t getting the same reactions that I used to get when I was younger, so I needed to up the game. And I needed.” And again, it’s not the naked pictures. It’s, “I’m losing the chemical reaction. I can only smoke marijuana so long before the brain stops giving me the chemical reaction I need. So I elevate to crack cocaine or to heroin”
Tim Ballard: It’s the same thing with pornography. Okay, the brain’s getting used to this normal porn, the legal porn whatever, I got to get I’ve got to shock the system to reignite the chemicals. They get into animals. They get into children. Whatever, just to shock the system. And now they’re looking for 10 year olds. And now they’re traveling to Central America to Southeast Asia to find a 10 year old because they’ve let their brain turn them into a monster. So, until we address that problem through education. And, you know, I’m not a proponent of others legislating morality. People have to be free to choose these things, right. Except when it’s abusing people, abusing children, abusing anybody. I’m not saying you make porn illegal, except for the child porn or the abusive porn, where people are being abused.
Tim Ballard: But, you educate them. I tell my kids, “You better read this Time article.” Every quarter I want to talk about it. You know that… You think it’s so innocent that you’re clicking through these pages. Do you know what might be happening to your brain right now? Let me show you a guy who was turned into a monster. Do you want to become this guy? You know that’s the kind of education you need. Fight the New Drug does an amazing job focusing on the science. fightthenewdrug.org I always promote these guys, because they go about it, not through a moral level. That’s for churches, and that’s for your parents if they want to get into that. The scientific side of it. What does this do to the brain? The world needs to know what it does to the brain, so that you can be aware what you might be getting into. And that’s how we can protect the kids. In the end, they’re being abused by that demand that’s being formulated through this addiction.
Thom Harrison: All of those chemicals: oxytocin, vasopressin, adrenaline, catecholamines, endorphins, dopamine can be used in an “I” structure– in a very negative way when we’re just focusing on self. But when you move into an “I am” structure, that’s when they transform you differently. They can transform you negatively in the “I” structure, but when you move into the “I am” structure, then those same chemicals become that which lifts you, which allows you to see things universal. Which allows you to see them in the light of, “They are children of God.” And, “They’re not just someone there to meet my needs.” So it’s those same group of chemicals that can addict you if used inappropriately. They can free you when used in an “I am” structure.
Ken Krogue: Wow, that’s powerful.
Thom Harrison: So adrenaline is not the enemy. If I go out and jog, I get a whole bunch of adrenaline. That’s positive adrenaline. If I’m looking at pornography, that’s negative adrenaline. And it can do great damage. So each one of those structures, each one of those chemicals, has a very good side and a very bad side, which is the reality in science. You know science can be good; science can be bad.
Ken Krogue: Everybody, this is Thom Harrison and Ken Krogue with the EternalCore podcast and vidcast. We’re excited to have Tim Ballard here. He’s gonna be the keynote, one of many great keynote speakers, including Clay Olsen from Fight the New Drug that you mentioned, at our event. Our big launch event for the EternalCore community March 29th and 30th at the Little America hotel. Seats are going quick. We need you to go out eternalcore.org and reserve yourself some seats. Come and join us. We’ve got two events with Tim. He’ll be speaking Friday afternoon and then at our dinner event. Our date night dinner that night he’ll be with us for dinner. And we’ll remove the cameras and go a little bit more behind the scenes on some of things he’s not usually able to talk about. Thanks Tim for joining us today. You’re doing an amazing job. We’re gonna do our best to get behind you.
Tim Ballard: Thank You
Thom Harrison: Thank you Tim. Wonderful to be with you.
Tim Ballard: You too, thanks!